hey west i'm gonna be gettin these, they are the same wheels you were lookin at gettin from craigslist just the red rings haven't been painted. they're $518 for the set and come with free lug nuts. also if you dont want 17's they come in plenty of other sizes. just search ballistic jester
http://www.ebay.com/itm/17-BALLISTIC...1b5b18&vxp=mtr